Why BettorTrader is not a scam

A satisfied client explains why BettorTrader is not a scam.

This response from Paul S was prompted by an inaccurate, anonymous attack on BettorTrader on a complaints website.  The attack seemed likely to have been written by a would-be competitor of BettorTrader or other such disgruntled individual or entity. Investigations have clearly shown that the posts have not been made by and Bettortrader member and no complaints have been lodged with the Department Of Fair Trading or any other such governing body.

Please visit the Bettortrader Blog for more information and feel free to contact us if you would like to speak to any one of our loyal customers. Police investigations are well under way regarding certain posts and legal action has been undertaken against the sites in question.

There are more notes below from a recent Skype Group Chat. The usernames have been removed to protect our members under the Privacy Act but all clients are happy to chat if you have any doubt so give us a call. Please also read these links for more information.

http://www.infolinkit.com.au/consumers/oz-ripoff-consumer-site-should-be-banned-held-leggaly-accountable/

http://www.scamshelp.com/ozripoff-scam-t200.html

http://ozripoffscam.blogspot.com/

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100114162011AAxzfrY

My heart goes out to Kevin and his team to have to endure this farce. As a client of many years now I know how much he does for people even for free and well into the late hours of the night.

I do not know too many of his other clients but I know he would rather curl up and die than to do anyone any harm and I know there has never been this type of feeling amongst other users in the live chat groups. Now that's saying something!

One of my staff tells me about viral marketing as a tool to spread good word about your business. I wonder if this is the reverse in action?

As if click-fraud, credit card fraud, and identity theft weren’t enough for us to worry about, there is a new threat to businesses and individuals today, and it is known as ‘Internet Hostage Taking’ and ‘Cyberspace Attacks’ and its perpetrators are nearly impossible to bring to justice.

These attacks consist of false complaints made against an individual or company on a complaint-related website. (Here is a partial list: ComplaintsBoard.com , RipOffReport.com, Furiocity.com. and many more.

These are much different from the authorized complaint boards approved by The Ministry for Family and Consumer Affairs in America and are blatant breeches of our Australian Dept Of Fair Trading, ACCC etc if posted by competition and if posted by an individual they could face conviction.

The person(s) who have made these cruel defamatory remarks have taken advantage of the fact that these sites being in America, are governed by different laws than here so the owners of the sites can not be held liable. At the same time, the person posting is not required to give any foolproof identification meaning anyone can make posts without fear of retribution in the legal system.

These complaints often result in an inaccurate skewing of search results by Google, Yahoo, and other search engines. Then, when a company name is searched, the complaint web page often comes up above or just below the victims’ website on the first search result page. This can cause customers and prospective customers to be less inclined to do business with the victim company because they might believe the false information.

There are really two problems. First, the so-called complaint boards have no policy about who files complaints. Anyone can post anything against anyone and it is never checked out or verified. So, the person being complained about may not even know they have a complaint against them and therefore, have no chance to defend their reputation.

The second challenge is that websites like ComplaintsBoard.com and RipOffReport.com often have policies to not remove the complaints posted on their websites whether they are valid or not. RipOffReport.com even states the following on their website “As is our policy, we never remove reports even when they are claimed to contain defamatory statements, and even if the original author requests it.” To compound the problem, some complaint websites do not require registration by the person posting the complaint, so there is no way to track fraudulent criticism. The perpetrator can destroy another’s internet reputation with little concern for legal recourse against them. Scary, huh?

Wikipedia defines “spamdexing” as “any of various methods to manipulate the relevancy or prominence of resources indexed by a search engine, usually in a manner inconsistent with the purpose of the indexing system.” Google and other search engines are aware of the problem and are apparently working to fix it.

Here is just one of the many many people who apparently specialise in removing such threads or posts...

http://wwww.complaintremovers.com/ripoff37198.html

Here is a blog about the use of social media practices and the lack of caring abut the truth. I thought thats what these sites were about but again I must say my heart is broken yet again to see its all just about money! A double edged sword... the opportunity for disgruntled competitors and their employees etc to defame others for their own gain or some sick satisfaction...

http://www.mt-soft.com.ar/2008/01/22/the-anatomy-of-a-ripoff-report-lawsuit/
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-anatomy-of-a-ripoff-report-lawsuit
http://www.les-henderson.com/
Wiki in ripoffreport...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripoff_Report
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

I hope this helps Kevin and his plight. I know thi would be hurting personally and I wanted everyone to know who is reading this that as a customer, I find it extremely difficult to believe any of this.

I encourage all of you to do as I did when I first looked into buying Bettortrader, ring Dept Of Fair Trading. Thats what all good Australians do before they go to lengths that this person has on more than one site. It is what we do when a company rips us off.

A Current Affair would have picked this up if it had any merit long before it was posted on an overseas site I know that much. ACA aren't ones to mess with. Leave this hoax alone people and go look at a damn fine product and service. Look at their website. They don't profess to be a get rich quick company thats for sure but they do profess to having the best tool of its kind anywhere. I would swear to the fact that I for one believe it is in the court of law.

I'm a solicitor, however this is all well out of my league. I specialise in property law. I know that it is wrong though and I do hope something can be done to help Kevin and family through this debacle.

Good Luck!

Paul S.  Sydney NSW Australia
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[13/08/2009 11:24:01 AM] baden c: hi kev its badens wife amanda our thoughts are with you both and your family
[13/08/2009 1:53:29 PM] Colin Q: Hi Kev, very interested to talk to you re % of turnover
[13/08/2009 3:38:17 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: this is lovely isnt it...  http://www.ozripoff.com/report-view/167-kevin-riddell

how low can they go?? Scraping sites? Stolen software? Rape my missus? I think I've had enough of this industry and I'm sure you would all agree that I dont deserve this but there are some companies that would love to see me gone no doubt and I think they may well have their way soon.
[13/08/2009 3:41:33 PM] Tara & Tom: Hi kev as Tara and I are new to all this are they just gutted they did not come up with what you have ?? I hope you are having a bettter day
[13/08/2009 3:41:49 PM] *** Kevin@BettorTrader added Aaron Ryan ***
[13/08/2009 3:41:56 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: you got it Tom/Tara
[13/08/2009 3:42:04 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: jealous bastards
[13/08/2009 3:42:28 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: either that or they work for competition and lose sales to me
[13/08/2009 3:42:30 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: who knows
[13/08/2009 3:42:38 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: sending me broke
[13/08/2009 3:42:40 PM] Tara & Tom: well they need to get over it
[13/08/2009 3:44:12 PM] Glenda: Do you know which co it is?
[13/08/2009 3:44:42 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: T21 or Profit Runner whic is 7 or 8 different companies
[13/08/2009 3:45:13 PM] Glenda: Anything we can do as a united front?
[13/08/2009 3:46:00 PM] Tara & Tom: Well Kev as I said both Tara and I are blown away by your consant suport of us and every bt trader shows how much you care
[13/08/2009 3:58:06 PM] GRANT C: Kevin, surely this is a matter for the police!!!
[13/08/2009 3:59:06 PM] David JP: Have posted a rebuttal, least I could do!
[13/08/2009 4:08:53 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: I dont know what to do anymore
[13/08/2009 4:09:01 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: I'm completely lost
[13/08/2009 4:09:56 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: i work too hard to cop this and my business is going down the tube fast because of it
[13/08/2009 4:10:23 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: sorry guys, just nice to come back to those that matter and know how much I do for some support
[13/08/2009 4:10:30 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: not much anyone can do
[13/08/2009 4:10:39 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: must go get my boy
[13/08/2009 4:11:23 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: rush home and then back into the office for more training and webinar tonight. such is the life of a lowly scammer
|-(
[13/08/2009 4:11:37 PM] simon t: hang in there kev
[13/08/2009 4:11:50 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: i am mate, from a noose at the moment
[13/08/2009 4:12:12 PM] Glenda: aw come on now, it aint that bad, you're used to it arent you?
[13/08/2009 4:12:15 PM] perry & ali landy: we r with u all the way kevv (y)
[13/08/2009 4:12:21 PM] Chris and Kelly R: Hi Kev. Kell and I just want to say that we feel for you and Bec with the troubles that you both are dealing with atm. Then to read what some piece of shit has written on the rip off site is just disgusting. How do people get away with things like that? Any way we will talk to you tonite on skype.
[13/08/2009 4:12:32 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: nice one Glenda. I do hope that is a joke
[13/08/2009 4:12:32 PM] simon t: these people are about to get a visit from the karma train
[13/08/2009 4:12:52 PM] Glenda: well, I saw thru it, we're not silly eh. U have done all you can, ignore it
[13/08/2009 4:20:04 PM] Tara & Tom: If everyone posts a rebuttal to this comment then that is probably the best thing that we could do for Kevin at the moment.. Just go to the link and click Post Comment/Rebuttal
[13/08/2009 4:25:18 PM] graeme a: Kev,  what about a group of us put a joint rebuttal on that craap site
[13/08/2009 4:52:40 PM] Ron H: Hi Kev , if it is any consolation to you ,I deciced to run with Bettortrader because I have been ripped off by 4 of these ruthless Cheats over the past 5 -6 years, not one of them could or would give me any sort of warranty or guarantee.
[13/08/2009 4:53:36 PM] David J P: I've posted a rebuttal.It only takes a few minutes
[13/08/2009 4:53:48 PM] David J P: Why not add to it?
[13/08/2009 4:55:35 PM] simon t: that whole site is abhorent have a read of some of the posts against various other people and companies if you have a legitimate gripe with somebody you dont come across like that or people will just ignore you
[13/08/2009 5:07:50 PM] Ron H: As you know I have been interested in your Company now for over 8 months and have have been following the RUBBISH that these poor people have been printing about you, so please do not take it to heart. As a matter of fact I feel that the time has come and we should all flood this Site and make him look a\like an IDIOT- Fruit Loop. Will discuss this further with you on Monday @ Training session. My inspiration . "We are what we think, All that we are arises from our Thoughts,With our thoughts we make the world" . I came across these 2 days ago and when you think them throgh they make a lot of sense.    Keep smiling and positive , you have a good team behind you.
[13/08/2009 6:03:48 PM] Pete T: Kev. That report was back in Feb, Why the hell didnt you report it to the authorities then ? why put it out there in the skype chat now ?? How many times have I said, you deal with it at the time or ignore the crap.
[13/08/2009 6:12:25 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: only just found it
[13/08/2009 6:13:04 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: was compiling everythiung to present to barrister today and found it then
[13/08/2009 6:15:28 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: like this, who knows how long this has been there but only just found it as well. I have made a solid attempt not to look at anything online except my own site but when asked to put all together for further advice I had no option but to look at all there is to look at. http://racingsoftwarescams.blogspot.com/2009/08/bettortrader-kevin-riddell.html
[13/08/2009 6:20:29 PM] Gary K: Hey Kev, Boy you're really taking it tough the past few days, eh! The blow up in the chat a week or two ago, having to say goodbye to Mitch, Bec & possible miss carridge, and now this peice of rubbish from back in Feb..... Take a deep breath buddy, dont react or let these idiots get to you. Sadly this industry is always going to be full of loosers looking for a quick buck and someone to blame when they dont get it
[13/08/2009 6:20:35 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: my bank balance, emotions and business growth is finding it very hard to ignore.
[13/08/2009 6:21:58 PM] Ron H: Kev, I have also lodged a pressional comment in your interest in Ozripoff just now. Good to see so many others have done so as well.
[13/08/2009 6:22:08 PM] Gary K: just look after yourself and your loyal clients & forget tthe idiots, cause they'll never look after you or anyone else but themselves. Rise above em buddy!!
[13/08/2009 6:24:06 PM] Gary K: And most importantly how is Bec & your little guy ?? Such times bring out the best & worst in us all; but we're all with you!!!!!
[13/08/2009 6:26:44 PM] Gary K: We feeling your pain, but ignor the idiots and rise above em!!
[13/08/2009 6:45:30 PM] Stewey: Kevin, I always think that if someone is prepared to criticise in a detrimental way they have a problem. I think it is good advertising myself. Anyway they were getting a bit personal so I sent them a nice reply? No point in being nasty just the facts........Do not stress
[13/08/2009 6:47:24 PM] Stewey: Also yesterdays information posted another Profit. I was away all day and it was nice to see my lunch was paid for while I was away.
[13/08/2009 6:49:07 PM] damion: Kev,  I Know its hards times, but ignore the low lifes , look after your own, you will come out on top because of your integrity, good always wins in the end
[13/08/2009 6:52:12 PM] Stewey: Kevin. Interestingly my comment has been removed? It was there and it has gone. How can you trust the information they provide. Good `food' for the solicitor??
[13/08/2009 6:53:27 PM] Pete T: Come on you guys. Get the brain together, The post was made in Feb. All you are doing is adding fuel to the fire. You sure as hell know about that over there
[13/08/2009 6:57:01 PM] baden c: losers looking for a quick buck is right gary the problem with these sites is accountability or lack of it
[13/08/2009 6:58:30 PM] Pete T: total lack
[13/08/2009 6:59:07 PM] Pete T: No accountability. No doubt it will be taken care of one day
[13/08/2009 6:59:35 PM] Pete T: But, we dont help.
[13/08/2009 7:00:30 PM] Stewey: Pete, you are right. I didn't look at the date. Anyway that speaks for itself. Bettortrader appears now to have a better rating. No comments since then??
[13/08/2009 7:00:47 PM] baden c: i agree with you i refuse to post on the site but will happily appear as a witness in any legal proceedings
[13/08/2009 7:01:40 PM] Pete T: Kev should not have put it out in the chat, he was aware of when it was out there
[13/08/2009 7:02:49 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: I just saw it, it crushed me and I was looking for support. If I have done anything wrong, I wholeheartedly apologise. If i cant get support from those who know better then what do I have left Pete?
[13/08/2009 7:03:14 PM] damion: can hear you hiting the keys Kev :D
[13/08/2009 7:03:19 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: yes, there are plenty to find and plenty more I have not mentioned
[13/08/2009 7:04:14 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: that one was fouind today and is the worst thing I have ever read. sorry to inconvenience you Pete.
[13/08/2009 7:04:18 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: I have work to do
[13/08/2009 7:04:20 PM] Pete T: No sweat Kev, We all make f**k ups. me included. But, it may fuel more responses, Never mind, If all are aWARE THEN THEY CAN IGNORE
[13/08/2009 7:05:54 PM] simon t: f**k that lowlife youve got your integrity thats all that matters
[13/08/2009 7:05:54 PM] Adrian M: i have only got a head phones not headset
[13/08/2009 7:06:08 PM] Glenda: Pick me pick me
[13/08/2009 7:06:13 PM] C and K R: yup
[13/08/2009 7:06:14 PM] Glenda: lol
[13/08/2009 7:06:38 PM] damion: I have head seat with mouth peice
[13/08/2009 7:07:46 PM] David J P: Hey damion what's a head seat? (chuckle)
[13/08/2009 7:08:13 PM] damion: good on ya :D
[13/08/2009 7:44:52 PM] Kerry B: no 2
[13/08/2009 7:47:14 PM] Kerry B: Dapto 2 has a late scratching
[13/08/2009 8:33:23 PM] baden c: kev mate have given some thought to this and u know what builds a business is happy clients of which it seems you have many i for 1 am very excited with progress i am making with auto settings am certain that this will be my career giving up only gives your competitors what they want so they win i dont think that is what u would want to see happen mate so hang in there you have plenty of supporters both in business and in friendship cheers
[13/08/2009 8:40:34 PM] d****n: h#4/
[13/08/2009 8:45:30 PM] john h s: good night kev
[13/08/2009 9:05:02 PM] TS: Great night again Kev, thanks
[13/08/2009 9:09:01 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: Thanks very much everyone. I do hope things are making sense to you all. Thanks again for all the kind words and support. I really appreciate and it and like all humans with a heart, I do need to hear that I am doing the right thing by you all now and then. And yes, you are right Baden but I do need to address this issue and nip it in the bid as it is costing my business BIG time. Big cheers to you all! Next webinar is on Saturday at 3pm. I know it is a later one than we would all like and many reasons for doing so. talk to you all then.
[13/08/2009 9:10:40 PM] WS: Thanks Kev... and the webinar was great tonight... 2/2 for me.
[13/08/2009 9:10:52 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: the session was also recorded and will be available for download shortly. I will keep you posted.
[13/08/2009 9:10:56 PM] CL: number 8 thereas you finished came 3rd
[13/08/2009 9:11:45 PM] CL: Albion Park race 8
[13/08/2009 9:11:52 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: that is really great to hear Warrick. Good work. We need to have a catch up soon so get in for some training. I'm off home to have my tea and fall over.
[13/08/2009 9:13:59 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: Hi Cl***. No indications on #8 Albion Pk. #8 was moving down in the market in all 3 TABs in field of 6 and odds on fave. Bye all.
[13/08/2009 9:15:48 PM] CL: Mine doesn't say odds on and had 8 runners
[14/08/2009 2:01:17 PM] CQ: Kevin, I have just come online and read the chat. As you have said that post was in February- 6 months ago and as far as I know nothing has happened in the meantime. I believe that some very serious threats have been made and they are of criminal intent. I think anyone with a brain between their ears would recognise this and would place it in the scrap bin as there are no substances behind what has been said. I want you to know that since I have been with you and your Company and this has been over 12 months now I have never had any doubt as to your good intentions and also what you can offer not only me but the general public as well. Don't give up and keep doing the excellent work that you are doing. You are a great individual who should be very proud at what you have achieved. I for one will stick with you no matter what these creeps falsely say. Take a deep breath and show them how successful you can really be.
[14/08/2009 3:58:16 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: I have passed on to Bec and she will be in touch
[14/08/2009 4:06:56 PM] g*****: I hope things are still Ok with Bec. I think I speak for all of us when I say that you have provided hope to us all because it is through your hard work and years of effort we can now fillful our dreams. Don't worry about the jealous howling barking and whimpering dogs your wagon will keep rolling on and if you do not have time to train me next week that is fine I  learn a lot form the webinars
[14/08/2009 4:07:12 PM] g*****: sorry
[14/08/2009 4:07:27 PM] g*****: Ta just saw message
[14/08/2009 5:31:07 PM] *** Kevin@BettorTrader added ******

[14/08/2009 5:52:30 PM | Edited 5:55:35 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: Hi all. the webinar invites have been sent.
If you dont receive one, pls let me know ASAP and I will send one to you first thing tomorrow. Here's to a big day ahead.

Brian, thank you so much mate. It is hard to rise above no doubt. The bank balance determines how hard exactly. The more it affects my business, the more it affects my bank balance. No matter, we soldier on regardless when we feel the right thing is being done. I thank you all for your support. Without you all and your kind words and support, I would have no business. Cheers everyone. Catch you all tomorrow.

A big welcome to V***** as our newest member. All the best V****. I look forward to our first training session next week. In the meantime, enjoy tomorrows webinar and group chat.

Also, just a quick note while I think of it, the webinar didnt record the screen the other night, only the audio. I'm not happy Jan. I will make sure that is another box I have ticked for tomorrow.
[14/08/2009 5:53:52 PM] Kevin@BettorTrader: now I really am going. talk tomorrow.

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As even a blind man can see, our clients would hate for us to do anything other than we are. Please, do not believe what you read. If you want the truth, look deeper. Anonymous posts online are not the way to make a conclusive judgment. They say if someone isn't dragging you down, you aren't climbing high enough. KR.